We were talking Healthy Relationships at The Kickback on November 20th, which led to a great conversation with so much said that I had split the write-up into two parts. Part 1 provided insight into our thoughts on what relationships are, what makes them healthy and the idea of agape love.
After speaking about what we think makes a relationship healthy, I asked the question, what do you do when your relationship becomes unhealthy? For this question, I wanted everyone’s answer to be what they personally do, rather than what they think you should do.
Rhianna told us, “I look for what’s going wrong between me and the person, to see where the fault lies.” However, Gus feels like the relationship was essentially unhealthy in the beginning, to which Mhairi asked, “What do you do when your relationship with yourself becomes unhealthy?” Gus responded by saying that he thinks the only thing you can address is your own past.
Tanica shared that she is a massive mover of energy, so she tends to mediate and as she meditates, she breaks down what is going on internally with herself and what’s going on internally with the other person. Then she will approach them diplomatically and let them know how she feels.
Elisha believes that if a relationship is bad, then you should leave it, while Mhairi said, “I just think everyone needs a time out sometimes.”
Lisa threw in the question, “How do you know when a relationship has become unhealthy?” Rhianna said, “I’m aware of myself and my emotions in my body. I’ll feel it in my stomach.” Mhairi thinks that some people can be oblivious, and Gus thinks that it is about understanding.
I said that I know when someone starts draining me, which I felt strongly with my last boyfriend. Gus went on to make the interesting point of how the relationship between a mother and their child can be draining, as children can drain their mother.
Next, I referred to the Twitter thread that I wrote a blog post in response to last week and asked to hear what everyone’s thoughts on it were. Rhianna instantly stated that she agreed with it, and Gus said, “I sympathise with that… In a lot of instances, a no does mean convince me.” He later went on to say, “I think the problem is that women want the man to be assertive, but to what point or what detriment.”
Rhianna thinks it also depends on the person that it’s happening to, but that it doesn’t justify the way a lot of guys act. Elisha made the point of saying, “People also pressure,” while Lisa strongly said, “Own your no.”
This got on to a discussion about the murkiness of consent and what consent may or may not look like. “Why is the onus on women to be assertive and someone that they’re not in certain situations?” Lisa asked. Mhairi also said, “Under pressure or trauma, you can’t always portray what you want to.”
This month, The Kickback was linked to the White Ribbon Campaign, which is a movement to end male violence against women and girls, so we spent some time speaking about this. I started by asking, “Why do you think men are violent towards women and girls?”
To provide some background on her answer, Mhairi spoke about the Channel 4 documentary series, Woman, saying that it can be used as a military tactic to break down women, as well as it coming from a place of power, control, money ideas and hatred of women.
Gus really made us all think when he said, “The issue isn’t the men attacking the women. It’s what’s inside the men. Men are attacking each other… To get to the root of it, you have to understand why men are the way they are.”
As someone who knows men who have been violent towards women, Tanica believes that it comes down to a variety of factors – “Sometimes it’s broken down to religious factors. Sometimes its culture. Sometimes its upbringing.”
Lisa said, “There are men who are violent to everybody, and there are men who direct their violence to their partners and no one else, because they know they’ll get away with it. In their environment, they’ll have power and control.”
I then asked, how do you think we can put an end to violence against women and girls? Elisha thinks it’s good to talk to the police and let them sort things out, while Mhairi thinks the only thing that is helping is grass-roots communities and groups.
Gus feels that men go for women, because they assume they’re more vulnerable, but if she turns round and kicks him in the head, he’s less likely to attack her. However, the idea of fighting back makes Lisa nervous – “When we cut out the need to even have self-defense classes, then I feel we’re on the right path.” Lisa thinks the key is education and awareness.
My final question was, how can we have more healthy relationships? I’ll leave you with the two responses: Mhairi said, “A shift in society” and Gus said, “A shift in oneself.”